Comments - Cops Kill a Suspect in a Controversial Shooting
category: Shocking | views: 64847 | posted on: 07/14/2008
He was 27 years old. At least he lived longer than most dogs.
hypnoticjoker [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 4:04am
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Police work at its finest.......Dont shoot out his tires or put down a spike strip, just let him run for a while and then fill him with bullets for no good reason.........Bet those cops feel like big men now.
Killerdude [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 4:47am
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No good reason he tried to run over the police with his vehicle,,,Shoot the fucker again and I'm glad they lost the law suit....
hypnoticjoker [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 7:53am
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He wasnt trying to run him over, he was parking the car
Besides, anyone with brains would just get out of the way, and even if he would have hit the cop it would have caused no harm to him at 3 mph ![]()
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i agree 100%. If that were my father or brother out there putting his life on the line to prevent this asshole from killing an innocent person, even if it were inadvertently, i'd want them to kill the fucker before he got them or someone else. Fuck him. He deserved this.
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I can't help but wonder if the criminal sympathizers would be as sympathetic if during a high speed police chase of a drunk-driving, drug-dealing, life-criminal, he crashes headon into a car filled with one of their families killing them all instantly. Would they still blame the police for endangering the lives of innocent civilians for not backing off and letting the criminal get away - to possibly crash headon into the innocent and killing them instantly anyway?..........at what point do you hold the criminal accountable? DO you hold the criminal accountable? Is it ALWAYS the fault of the police? I believe in some people's minds, it is...and that's sad..............I don't relate well to cop haters..I think mainly because I assume they have no respect for authority (or the law) and that they have had more than their fair share of run-ins with them.
TetsuoShima [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 5:38pm
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I run into cops all the time, the I back over them and do it again. Fuckin pigs... ![]()
MemphisSaint [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 11:42pm
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Remember the emblem of my avatar, because for many decadent, disgraceful thugs like you around the world in places that would scare you shitless, it is the last thing that flashed before their eyes right before my bullet closed them forever.
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Do not read on those who walk a higher standard to protect the sheep (even the dumb, evil ones like you) from the wolves. The very fact that you can say shit like that is a result of many honorable lives lost in the pusrsuit of righteousness.
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Be greatful that you can sleep soundly, because people like me, N-T-FAN, and the rest of the Armed Forces, Marines, SEALs, SWAT, and most importantly street officers stand ready at the gate.
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"For those who fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected never know."
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SEMPER FI, God Bless America, and to all the Wolves reading this post: "COME GET SOME!" ![]()
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Police work at its finest.......Dont shoot out his tires or put down a spike strip, just let him run for a while and then fill him with bullets for no good reason.........Bet those cops feel like big men now.
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High speed chases are fashionable, but they still pose a huge risk to bystanders- even with that though, cops are able to get the guy out of the car and onto the ground, because the crazy fuck isn't usually that crazy.
Trapped though, this guy didn't surrender- he was like a rattlesnake in a corner. Or a... whatever the British equivalent is... in a loo. Point is he was that crazy, and he was making overtures to the cops with his car, and not his uppraised hands. He was a huge threat.
StateOwned [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 4:10am
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insane tough... 30 bullets... from 4 cops.. 1 or 2 bullits do the trick..
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Not as easy as you think to shoot someone in a vehicle with run of the mill hand gun ammo.
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At the vid. It didn't look like he was trying to hit the cops. However to the officer standing behind the vehicle It probably did. My guess is that he was the first to fire. After that everyone does. I know I would of. I don't fault the cops in this one either. More time and finesse probably would of done the trick but when you act crazy shit gets crazy.
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Moral of the vid. Don't be a criminal.
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Those cops have obviously never learnt the P.I.T manuever or even learnt about boxing in suspects better than they did.
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Shoot out tyres, use that engine immobilizer, anything.....yes shooting is a last resort...but they had other options open to them in this case that were not taken and they did use overkill methods to resolve the situation.
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Either way though, the MOTTO of this video is......don't fuck with the law, because they fuck back harder.
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MemphisSaint [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 6:00am
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It wouldn't have been a self-defense shooting had it not been for that idiot cop standing right in the middle of the parking spot at the end of the clip. They had him completely boxed in, but that one cop, being in the wrong place was in danger when suspect drove at the wall.
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Justified shooting.
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In most situations, things can go better in an operation, but communication, especially in smaller, quieter units with less training, can be a big problem in the heat and stress of battle.
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Most cops don't ever encounter situations even close to this much action. Of course they aren't going to be prepared as say a Marine or a SWAT cop.
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Kudos to the men in Blue who did everthing they could *SALUTE*
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Toaste?
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That's true....maybe a revamp of overall skills needs to be contemplated.
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A few weekends every few months should be compulsary to have to attend these training seminars.
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Then atleast there would be more extensively trained, capable and most importantly confident and calm officers ready for anything.
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Time and Money though.
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----->>4U Memphis
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spunktubber [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 6:09am
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yeah, its a shame there arent more marines on the streets of american cities. that would have saved the day.
MemphisSaint [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 6:38am
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I almost agreed with you...
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But I really believe that Marines, as desciplined as they are, are better made for situations involving SWAT, more of combat situations.
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the streets need normal guys who can side with people and save lives (not taking them more effectively), usually avoiding things like this, but not always.
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besides, if you think that this bad situation is a clusterfuck you would not imagine the kind of pressure Marines in combat deal with as far as the rules of engagement and having polititians breathing down their necks about who they shoot and don't shoot.
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its terrible. war and criminals suck...
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...I.. cant... help... my... self...
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spunktubber [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 11:11am
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Interesting. So you would be in favour of having a Marine crack commando unit (perhaps made up of guys sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit?) based in every city ready to defend the people from the likes of this guy who refused to pull his car over...?
MemphisSaint [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 1:37pm
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I don't know how you gathered that info from my reply, but no; I think most cities are doing as good a job as they can already.
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to the men in BLUE!
MemphisSaint [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 6:46am
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...but we live nowhere near PERFECT; thats why we have WALGREENS...
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sorry AU, commercial here; might not know what im talking about
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thanks 4 the
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scotty2hotty! [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 6:30am
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Those cops have obviously never learnt the P.I.T manuever or even learnt about boxing in suspects better than they did.
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Shoot out tyres, use that engine immobilizer, anything.....yes shooting is a last resort...but they had other options open to them in this case that were not taken and they did use overkill methods to resolve the situation.
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Either way though, the MOTTO of this video is......don't fuck with the law, because they fuck back harder.
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It wouldn't have been a self-defense shooting had it not been for that idiot cop standing right in the middle of the parking spot at the end of the clip. They had him completely boxed in, but that one cop, being in the wrong place was in danger when suspect drove at the wall.
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Justified shooting.
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In most situations, things can go better in an operation, but communication, especially in smaller, quieter units with less training, can be a big problem in the heat and stress of battle.
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Most cops don't ever encounter situations even close to this much action. Of course they aren't going to be prepared as say a Marine or a SWAT cop.
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Kudos to the men in Blue who did everthing they could *SALUTE*
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Toaste?
MemphisSaint [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 6:12am
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You don't run away from police and disregard their safety with your bumper and avoid being considered a threat.
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Perhaps you can say the police backed themselves into a corner, not the suspect. They got into a situation where their options were limited.
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A vehicle can still move with all four tyres shot out........but you are not going to outrun anything and corners will be your worse nightmare.
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Your right about him though,,,,not a victim.....he was not even a Threat.
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Fucken little dipshit homo kaos
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You stand infront of my 4x4 even with flat tyres and I'll run you down like the little biatch you are.Fucken little dipshit homo kaos
A bit touchy on the subject are you?
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Bring back your male-male solicitation days does it?
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It must have, because you have disregarded the laws of physics in your little rant. It's called "Traction".....In the case of a wheeled vehicle, when the motor and/or transmission turns the axles, a reaction torque on the axles is created by the traction of each wheel on the ground. Without traction, there would be no torque (other than that required to overcome the friction and inertia of the transmission and wheels themselves), and hence no movement of the vehicle.
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Is the media filled with constant video footage of criminals escaping whilst on four rims. Are the newspapers, Radio, internet and any other media resource, always reporting on these criminals that evade police who lose him while he was tearing up a road and leaving a trail of sparks. Of course they are NOT.
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The law of Physics, and just common sense through visual or personal experience says differently from what you said.
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So I do not know what hit a sore spot with you and made you attempt to attack me like that......but rest assure, you are wrong.
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But hey, you are always welcome to get off your ass now, walk outside and steal your next door neighbours SUV, get in a police pursuit and make them shoot out your tyres. Your fate would end up the same as the rest of those who try. Either dead or in prison. But make sure you have someone filming it, so they can post it hear and I can give you a huge "I told you so" middle finger.
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And you know.....I would bet you anything that if you set up the scenario that you spoke of, you would not be able to get me......your car would have no traction, no, direction, no co-ordination and no fucking hope of the controls to respond the way you think they will.....not to mention that if I had taken a shooting stance in front of you while you slowly came toawrds me.....then the only thing that would happen is your interior upholstery would be painted red.
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But have a great day anyway dude....Have a
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ItsAllGoodInDaHood [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 4:43am
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fuck that, i would have blown his head off as well and then bought myself a can of sprite ![]()
ItsAllGoodInDaHood [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 12:46pm
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haha, serves him right, that was in return for the college massacre by that other chinese dude (even though this happened 10 years before) ![]()
Lapoussiere [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 4:53am
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It's simple:
Stop when the cops say stop and you will not get: shot, tazed, punched, etc...........
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dizdabiz on Jul 14 08 : 6:34am wrote:
HEY! WTF? wheres the other shouting,over exaggerating presenter gone? why have they got this overly boring,nearly drive me to suicide guy commentating? ''BRING BACK LOUDMOUTH!
i agree good sir to you.
paintedhorse [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 5:49am
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alot of mistakes were made here , i,m not a cop basher but this could have been handled alot better , they had him , but the cop moved his car out of the way , hard to figure out why.
pipesandbikes [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 6:37am
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Hey, Kim fucked up.......he obviously didnt remember the old saying "If you bring a knife to the fight, I'll bring a gun. If you put one of mine in the hospital, I'll put one of yours in the morgue." Adios MF'er ![]()
derpderpderp [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 7:07am
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Self-defense, but try harder to use a non-lethal tactic next time guys.
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Bleeding hearts make me ill. Why are some people always looking for reasons to blame the police? Has that just become the cool thing to do? I expect none have needed help from one before.
Look, the guy was ramming police cars and driving at officers with wreckless abandon. From that video, there appears little doubt that he would have hesitated to mow one down if need be.
The end result was HIS choice. Obey the lawful command of a police officer, and you WON'T GET KILLED. Simple as that. Attack them with a 4 thousand pound WEAPON, and you DIE.
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Fuck him. Vote for justified here also.
He was boxed in and still was escalating the situation. Then he makes a direct move towards a cop with his vehicle? Done. Toast. Yippie ki-ya motherfucker.
If you make a move towards me with your vehicle and I have a gun? I'm capping your ass. And I'm not going to stop with 1 or 2 shots. I am going to make damn sure I stopped your ass. Why the fuck shouldn't a cop be allowed the same?
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It's amazing how so many people don't consider a vehicle to be a weapon. The guy was ramming the cars with his vehicle, and obviously had no intention of ending it peacefully. He chose to run from the police, and then he chose to use his vehicle as a weapon when he was cornered. This isn't a tragic. It's some dumb ass who had to deal with the choices he made.
iMasturbate [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 12:59pm
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wrong or not, why did so many of them get out of their cars and being the case, how come so many put themselves directly in the line of the car?
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He wasnt trying to run him over, he was parking the car Besides, anyone with brains would just get out of the way, and even if he would have hit the cop it would have caused no harm to him at 3 mph
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pumekuhp, good points, but the video suggests that teh only crime the man committed was speeding. i don't see how you justify killing a man because he was speeding. sure he was in a situation where he could've endangered cops, but high speed situations are also caused my the cops who chase people.
I think letting the guy go is more reasonable than killing him given what was shown from the video.
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Hello, pure.
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I wasn't only talking about this video. It seems that every time a "like" video is posted, the cop haters come crawling out of the woodwork - regarding this particular video; it may have started out as crime of speeding but from my vantage point, it could have easily become a vehicular homicide. It was, in my opinion, a situation of kill or be killed. - Until you put your life on the line like police officers do on a daily basis, you can only presume to know what you would have done in certain situations - At this point, you really can't be 100% sure how you would respond as a police officer under similar dire circumstances - can you.
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maxunlimited2 [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 3:11pm
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How can you even think about not pulling the trigger, if he had no reason to run, then he wouldnt have run... and if he was to drive a car at me in an attempt to kill me i would shoot him in the face also
triciaplumley [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 6:01pm
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Just asking for the definition of "excessive deadly force" proves to the world you're retarded....lmao!
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I do agree that the officers were not strategically placed and positioned themselves in a cross fire scenario. It is obvious to me based upon the few obtuse post that many do not
understand what would constitute the use of deadly force against an assailant especially when said suspect uses their car as a weapon. The driver of the suspect vehicle demonstrated a deadly force action 5 times which required officers to stop the threat.
They carried out their duty!...I am not surprised by the court ruling, their decision was just!
jughead1986 [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 7:00pm
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These cops will go to hell for what they did to this young man. N-T Fan can try to stick up for his kind all he wants, but the fact is that you can't always separate the fat from the pork. ( If you know what I mean )
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ROFLMAO...It sounds like you're going to start praying for this guy! And as far as fat from the pork....???? I am 7% body fat....that pic in my Avi was taken in the last year!
Now be honest with yourself...as you type your obtuse rebuttal, reachdown and grab that fat flabby spare tire you have around your mid section and think about fat from the pork!
You can lie to others you can't lie to yourself!
Say no to twinkies and yes to a membership at a health club! Cheers ![]()
TUNDER0069 [ban] | Jul 14 08 : 7:03pm
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but drives the car against the police....which were charges for this persecution ?
.......he was drunk....
MemphisSaint [ban] | Jul 15 08 : 2:15am
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Except for the police trying to find out what the hell was going on that is. But I guess they don't count. Right?
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back_attack [ban] | Jul 15 08 : 12:24pm
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hey redoor, maybe some people here are dumb or bounch of kids, but it seems like u are an idiot too... why would u shoot 30 fucking bullets to stop someone?...just some sick cops
the thing is some of you cops do become pyscologicaly sick...
I am glad that i am CANDADIAN....and don't have "Too many" cops like them or like you; or too many carzy sick people with guns around me and maybe thats y US cops are like this now...but then again no reason to shoot 30 bullets to kill someone...
dannyboi39 [ban] | Jul 16 08 : 4:15am
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YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT
30 bullets isnt much, its not as though each police man could only fire 1 bullet each. when you think about 4 officers firing 30 bullets.....not 1 of them even reached the nd of a standard clip. and being the fact that the 4 of them reacted on seperate terms and not as a synced unit they let the guy off lightly, to be under that much pressure and fire an average of 7 bullets your takng the situation lightly aswell
so YOU back attack are a fucking clown
so suck a fuckin dick you dirty cunuck
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""He was 27 years old. At least he lived longer than most dogs..""................. ......................... ............ yeh true most dogs only live to 14.. or 15.. thats if your named lucky .. true story my mum had a jack russell before i was born it lived till it was 17.. but one sad day.. star it was called, followed my big brother to the ice cream van. and it got ran other................. moving on...... that trucks tyres were still inflated,, shoot them out the fucker aint goin anyhwere in a hurry.. then smash the window and throw a little gas grenade in there if u carry them lol... or taser the cunt... or didnt they come out by 1996.... why posting old ass footage anyways.. or has it just been released from a store room some where now your aloud to post it...
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I'm a law and order kind of guy, but he certainly did not look like he wanted to run them over from what I saw. I saw acceleration followed by then obviously tenative behavior. Braking and reversing. The most dangerous part for the officers was when the other cop car rammed his car almost into a officer standing nearby.
I'm not saying he should have won his wrongful death suit. No Officer should be fired, suspended, or otherwise punished for this. However I do think this instance should be taught in Police Academy's as an example of when perhaps a suspects actions do not deserve deadly force. If he was armed, different story. But this guy could have been taken in alive with two police cars working in tandem to pin him. In my humble opinion of course
jerseydrummer [ban] | Jul 15 08 : 8:27am
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What does it take for you to stop running from the police?? I know it would only take me 1 police officer with his lights on. Not the whole force. Totally justified. He had more than enough chances. Good job by the police and the judge.
bumpyknucks [ban] | Jul 15 08 : 10:14am
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Fuck Cops And FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!! Fucking Pigs can eat a dick!!!! Those of you who are cops, Lick my BALLZZZZZZ!!!!!! ![]()
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You dont eat or sleep or mow the lawn,
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Just teasing have a day Cheers
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Theshocker [ban] | Jul 15 08 : 3:57pm
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back_attack, think about this. As an officer you have to treat everyone as a threat until you can otherwise determine they are not. So you have a guy in a car running from the police, this signifies he has done something illegal or has been involved with something illegal, the cops chasing have no idea why he is running and can't stop him to find out why. The cops corner him and he still tries to plow thru cars and what appears to me he almost hits a few officers while trying to flee. So if your a cop on the scene and one of your fellow officers are about to be ran over would you think about the idiot in the car and how you can stop him without hurting him (when he is clearly thinking of everyone else's safety) or are you going to open fire (as a last resort as it was in this instance) to save the life of your fellow officer. And 4 cops fired 30 shots not just one cop, so it is understandable that 30 shots were fired as 4 cops firing simultaniously would get off that many shots before realizing it. Also have to add that your average cop is not a crack shot and you can tell if you miss someone or hit them, so out of the 30 shots fired how many of them hit their intended target? Don't trash people unless you yourself has been in a situation like that and can realize what it takes to make that type of decision on the fly. And before you make any trash talking I have been in that situation and I have been shot in the line of duty. So I understand the reality of that situation, in my opinion they made the right call.
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redoor on Jul 15 08 : 1:45am wrote:
Ok....this is one of my few comments. some of you guys or girls are true idiots. He was trying to run them over. I'm a cop and I would have shot his ass long before they did.Thats why we hate you.
ChunkyChowder [ban] | Jul 16 08 : 12:49pm
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One of my best friends is a cop. But! He is one in few who is actually true to his trade. These cops are on a power trip like most. Totaly uncalled for. ![]()
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Fuck you, you socialist douche. Yeah, I see the x through the hammer and sickle, but you support the idea of the state executing citizens in the street without trial. That is not the tradition in which America was founded. The government is supposed to enforce the law, not deal in probabilities like potential manslaughter.
How about taking down a license plate, tracking him down later and then making the arrest safely? I guess that's called police work.
The man was fighting, on the most primal level, to be free.
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See that the problem with the internet...too many armchair critics.
"back_attack" I got news for you I am Candian. My Staff Sgt would have kicked my ass if I didn't fire to protect myself but more importantly my fellow officers . Welcome to reality. If you ever come to Edmonton give me a call and I would be more than happy to bring you on a ride along.
and "bumpyknucks" ☆YOUR NOT WORTH MY TIME☆.
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Fuck Cops And FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!! Fucking Pigs can eat a dick!!!! Those of you who are cops, Lick my BALLZZZZZZ!!!!!!
(In case you missed the joke BumKnutz - I just called you a pussy - try and keep up with the rest of the class OK?)
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These cops definitely had other options however, they knew they could kill the fucker and get away with it because they are the law. but im not gonna sit here and whine and cry, because if we handled shit like that all the time we wouldnt have half as many stupid fucks like this. ![]()
RazielBliss [ban] | Jul 17 08 : 4:06pm
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I hear ya on that one redoor..I'm with a Sheriff's dept in New York..I would have fired a lot sooner too, those OC boys in Cali gave him more than enough of a fair chance to surrender while he tried to run them over. The thing about article 35 (The Use Of Deadly Physical Force) is that when someone is trying to kill you, you have the right to kill them in the regards of self defense...I don't know how well your aim is out there guys, but in a high stress situation where someone is trying to come at you and kill you (especially with a vehicle), your shots are not going to be where you want them, no matter how you try. So yeah, 30 rounds, but that's not that many at all considering that their lives were in danger..What other options do you see those officers as having? Maybe if they all hugged his SUV as he drove at them, he would have stopped? You guys who think that all cops use is excessive force are really idiots. Cops have to react to the situation, and it's a lot harder to be reactive than it is to be proactive..they acted accordingly to stop the threat on the community. GOOD JOB!
NeoNitride [ban] | Jul 20 08 : 3:41pm
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He prolly had an outstanding parking ticket and knew his ass would be toast if he got popped by the popo. That is, lose your job, lose your home cuz you have no income, lose your sanity because your life went to shit because some cop somewhere needed to fill a quota to make his bosses justify their budgets.
THe last time I got pulled over by a cop (for having a slightly expired temporary license plate on a new vehicle, omg im a criminal!!!!111) I said absolutely nothing. He finally said the "Tag" was expired and I said "really? thats interesting" and he got so flustered he eventually let me go scott free. That and I had cleverlly pulled into a McDonalds parking lot and we were in the way (always be in full public view when stopped by a cop, even if you have to drive a bit to get somewhere public).
We don't lose our rights for a silly traffic stop by Joe Steroid Officer of the Law. Never incriminate yourself. If you get out of the vehicle at all roll up all windows and lock and close all doors when you exit. No fishing expeditions allowed Officer!
batmanboobs [ban] | Oct 28 08 : 2:20pm
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Of course they acted in self defense, the retard rammed police cars and drove straight at offices. That is attempt vehicular manslaughter and assault on an officer, completely justified.
jefftx78664 [ban] | Nov 2 08 : 9:24am
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I'm actually suprised they waited that long to pull the trigger, he was aiming the vehicle right at them. I know a lot of you dont like police officers, but they have a family to go home to at the end of the day. I think they gave that guy every chance in the world to give himself up peacefully.
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guy was driving slow as shit in the footage, obviously trying to avoid conflict.
The first car in the lot actually rams him, and he backs into the third car while going around the second one.
At 1:20 the cruiser rams him toward the foot officers.
So.. they boxed him in half assed, ran in front of his 4runner and shot at him 30 times for trying to jump the curb?
I would compare this to walking into traffic and saying the cars are trying to hit you.
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